In this Saivian scam review, l will be sharing with you who the founders are, the business model, compensation plan and why l think it is an out right scam.
Either someone has kindly requested you to join Saivian.net to earn commissions off your $125 per 28 days payments. …or maybe you are now wondering what you got yourself into …. read on.
One of the visitors to Avert Scams.com informed me that people were deserting in numbers, a grocery based MLM called Life Tree World and were joining the Saivian 20% cash back program. The reasons why people are abandoning LTW, include failure to deliver products on time in the correct ordered quantities, high turnover rate by affiliates and unresponsive support.
Now, l started wondering what this new opportunity was all about and decided to check it out for myself.
What is Saivian MLM?
It is a 20% cash back program founded by the CEO John Sheehan at the end of 2015, with Steve Gewecke as the marketing manager and Kevin Marino as the Master Affiliate. Bob Doran is the Communications Director and Patricio Diez is the Latin Marketing Director.
The program promises shoppers a 20% money back for their shopping and travelling if they meet set conditions. The cash back is based on your selected top 10 retail outlets.
Honestly, l don’t have any problems with legitimate cash back programs and only got interested after learning that Saivian was an MLM utilizing network marketing to suck people into the scheme. This is not surprising though because l have reviewed MLMs that are based on selling coffee, books and even upmarket chocolate.
MLMs can literally pick on any product irrespective of its quality or value.
How Does Saivian Work?
You pay $125 every 28 days to become an active member. Select top 10 retail shops and the payment method you will use for purchases (for receipt verification purposes). You will then submit scanned or photo copied receipts for purchases exceeding $5 up to a maximum of $300 each week. You will get your cash back once in 30 days.
You need to purchase products worth $625 using your approved payment method just to break even.
You will also earn from recruiting other people under you (down-line), minimum 3 active members. The reason why Saivian is called an called an MLM.
When l checked traffic to the website and took a screen shot below, l realized that the traffic is on a downward spiral. This is not a healthy sign for a recruitment based MLM.
Saivian Products and Services.
Retail Shopping Membership (RSM): 20% cash back for shopping from $5 up to $300. Only for US based members. You have the potential to save $1,375 annually in shopping provided you buy the maximum amount of groceries and all your receipts qualify for a refund.
Global Travel Membership (GTM): 20% cash back on travel from $50 to $3000. Cash back balances expire in 30 days. This option is available globally.
Payments are processed every 30 days and can be cashed out in $125 to $250 increments.
Maximum cash back is $3000 per year.
Below is how much you will get paid for your recruitment efforts.
Saivian Compensation Plan.
To earn the listed amounts you must maintain 3 paid up members below you and pay your $125 without fail.
Founder position – $5 per day (3 active recruits).
VIP Founder -$20 per day (12 recruits).
Elite Founder – $30 per day (39 recruits).
1 Star Founder – $50 per day (80 recruits).
2 Star Founder – $100 per day (150 recruits).
3 Star Founder – $150 per day ( 300 recruits).
4 Star Founder – $200 per day ( 500 recruits).
5 Star Founder – $300 per day (750 recruits).
Ambassador – $500 per day (1000 recruits).
Gold Ambassador – $750 per day ( 2,000 plus recruits).
Platinum Ambassador – $1,000 per day (4,000 recruits).
Diamond Ambassador – $2,000 per day (6,000 recruits).
Presidential Ambassador – $3,000 per day (8,000 recruits).
Can you see what is WRONG with this compensation plan? It only rewards people for RECRUITING others to join the program and they are in turn rewarded for doing the same. The more people you recruit, the more money you will make. Remember, pyramid schemes operate without offering any tangiable product to participants.
The compensation plan is totally divorced from the cash back program. An independent pyramid scheme is being operated under the disguise of a cash back program. You can literally join Saivian and make money by RECRUITING new people without claiming any cash back.
Yes, these are just figures on paper to make you feel warm inside and part with your cash. Such schemes will only prosper for a few months and once negative reviews of Saivian pop-up everywhere on internet … it becomes difficult to recruit. People are already writing negative reviews on popular platforms such as Money Saving Expert Forum.
Once that happens, it stagnates and those at the bottom will start cancelling their membership leading to the pyramid imploding.
Saivian Refund Policy.
There are no refunds and you can not process a bank charge back since payments are made through the purchasing of Saivian Passes. These can be purchased using an app or funds from your ‘cash back refunds‘.
The company devised a way to benefit from affiliates’ claims by creating a parallel scheme funded by cash backs.
You can however cancel your membership 1 business day prior to your membership renewal date.
Saivian BBB Rating.
As you can see from the screen shot, Saivian is NOT registered with Better Business Bureau. It is not compulsory though to register your business with BBB, but most legit businesses do.
There are complaints against billing and products issues. The complaints are starting to roll in and BBB reported that it was not able to locate the company to resolve issues. So, you are on your own if you join this scheme.
Is Saivian a Pyramid Scheme, Scam , or Legit MLM?
Well, as you can clearly deduce from this review of Saivian, there are no ‘real products’ being sold to anyone which is typical of a Pyramid Scheme or Ponzi Scheme. The money you are paid is from people you recruit into the scheme and must also do the same. The 20% cash back is just a disguise and is not in any way linked to how you make money with Saivian. You can make thousands without claiming a single cash back.
Yes, Saivian has got a legit 20% cash back program used as a front for the Pyramid Scheme. The scheme is totally independent of the legit cash back program except that you can fund it with money you get from your claims.
Earnings or rewards must be based on the values of purchases or amounts cashed back NOT only on recruitment efforts. Since there is no real product exchanging hands hence, Saivian is not even a legal MLM.
As usual, it is the people who have no idea of what they are getting themselves into who will suffer. Right now, those at the top are already targeting their next MLM which is in the pre-launch phase. Once, this Ponzi Scheme collapses, they move on and offer their new affiliates to join them as their down-line.
The circle continues….
Greed can not be tamed. Foolish flies follow the coffin into the grave.
Share your opinion or experience with Saivian MLM in the commentary box below? l have done my part.
It is because of this companies like Savian that MLM gets bad reputation. Savian is a Scam, MLM is not!!!
Thank you.
Saivian sells your shopping habits that it’s in your receipts that you upload every month to their marketing partners and to the advertisers. And thats how you get paid. A friend of mine has been doing this and making $300 a day. These nay sayers are the one who is being paid to make negative coments about any business there of.
This person who did this negative comments about saivian does not know what he is talking about.
There is a company that pays somebody to do negative comments about anybody so they can advertise their own.
That must be really frustrating, however I do have friends who are affiliated with the company and they are just starting to be able to get their money out with their circa credit card.. Have you ordered it? It seems it is more of a growing pains of a new company, that surely can be frustrating by itself, than a malicious intent.. Not sure if you tried but my friends had a good experience with their customer support. Even if you are leaving the company, try to get your money out of the account.. I think they are legit.. All the best..
2) ‘… Saivian is different’… there is NO difference, you will get a share off the subscriptions of people you recruited into the program as long as they are members. That is monopoly!
3) ‘…it depends on how many people you know…’ why should a business depend on who you know? In anycase, the people that you know must be spending enough money each week to justify paying for YOUR subscription. The only reason why you recruit others.
4) ‘…help them to benefit from the company’…What help do people NEED? You want to help them with photocopying their receipts or recruit other people so that they can make money off their subscriptions?
5) ‘So that means that you could very easily surpass in money the person who enrolls you in the first place’. This is interesting. l thought this was a ‘cashback scheme’ with a ceiling on the amount of cash backs you can claim per year? Ooh! You mean making a killing from your recruits’ subscriptions? It is people like you who only joined the company to recruit new people and earn money off their subscriptions without giving a hoot about the cashback who give MLMs a bad name.
6) ‘It’s a WORLDWIDE company’… Cashback on shopping is NOT available Worldwide for your own information. Kindly read the company’s comp plan and educate yourself.
7) ‘You only need 8000 people to enroll in your team to make maximum profit of $3000’. … and 8 000 people ONLY NEED 64 000 000 … to make a profit of $3 000 each. 64 000 000 ONLY NEED 8 000 ….to make a profit of $3 000 each = 512 000 000 000. This is getting exciting and we are only at level 4. 512 000 000 000 ONLY NEED 8 000 ….to make a profit of $3 000 each = Calculator error. You made my day. Let me go buy a calculate which can handle this MESSY!
8) ‘By you signing up you are simply selling them your information…’ I am sorry who is paying who the $125/month for information?
9) ‘And you are being recompensed for it and for enrolling others to do the same—‘ This sounds familiar. Recruit NEW people, get paid OFF their subscription, they in turn recruit OTHERS who do the same … DUH!
10) ‘I’ve only seen people progress in this company so far’. This is what we call HEARSAY! Who showed you how EVERYONE who joined Saivian is progressing inside the company?
11) ‘Not a single drop out—‘ Kindly show me the figures please for the sake of humanity. You may need some professional counselling to reverse such levels of indoctrination and brainwashing. l don’t think you believe this is true yourself?
Please have a look at their website’s FAQ:
1. How much does the Retail Shopping Membership cost?
The Retail Shopping Membership costs only $125 to start, and then is payable once every 28 days. That is only $1,625 annually to receive up to $3,000 in cashback rewards, “potentially saving” you $1,375 just for doing your everyday shopping!
– Why do you wish to pay $1625 but only get back $1375? Is it truly cash back? Please remember the $1625 is not your daily spending, you pay extra to this company.
2. Is there a minimum or maximum Cash Back redemption amount?
Once every 30 days, as an active member, you can redeem a minimum of $125 and a maximum of $250 from your accumulated cashback account.
– The membership cost must be paid every 28 days, but you can only claim every 30 days. Therefore, you must pay at least $250 to claim the 1st month max. $240 cash back. (There is a limit of “cashback” maximum $60 per week.) Still you lost $10 after a month + extra work on this system & process.
So, if you do not recruit people in, you will just keep paying them and work for their so called big data. How ridiculous this is?
Even Visa, Master or AE combined don’t make that much. It doesn’t make sense by selling your shopping habit or marketing data can make that much money. The company has to make much more than 20% in order to pay you the 20%.
You get paid doesn’t means the company or the way is a proper one. Like gambling in some places is legal and some people really get money by gambling, but would you promote it to your friends? These people play the law & use the greedy mind of human to make money. I dislike these things & people.
If the products is the cashback, then I should have my first month cashback even I joined only 1 month. But the product is the membership – a right to recruit people in this rubbish program, which worth nothing!
Negative mind set is what makes people stupid
But a membership that requires a monthly fee that gives you nothing is SCAM !!!
20%, submit receipts and wait for 30 days to get money back. Main while they charge $125.00 + the 30 days waiting period another $125.00 so you already pay $250.00 … would not be better to put those $250. In a savings account and I already save $250.00 in two months and I do not scam any friend or mess with our friendship, and beside by the end of the year I will have $1500 in my savings acct.?
They promise that if you get 12 people you will get $600. So who keeps the rest $900.00 , and just in the membership, but to be able to make money out of the 20 % back the minimum is $5 the top is $3000, so even if I could expend the $3000. A month that I could save $600. So to save $600 I have to expend $3000 in a month??? = $36000 in a year that i can get $7,200 cash back???
That looks beautiful in the paper but so unreal in Life…
So in reality the money comes from the membership to nothing, that will pay month to month to support your income, because if you do not get your 3 people to override your membership you are stock with a membership from month to month for nothing.
From Webster: Product is something that is made or grown to be sold or used.
2. ‘You only have to get 3 people to join to start collecting money‘ .. that is what is called RECRUITING in MLM Mr Mike! Your 3 recruits will then pay for your subscriptions in the hope that they will also ‘…get 3 people to join to start collecting money’. The pyramid then expands at the bottom until everyone has been recruited including cats and dogs. The millions at the bottom are left with no-one to recruit …. the rest is history repeating itself!
3. ‘….whereas Saivian is not selling you anything to make money’ Do you know the pyramid scheme FTC definition? Here it is ‘They promise consumers or investors large profits based primarily on recruiting others to join their program, not based on profits from any real investment or real sale of goods to the public’. l totally agree with you Mike on this one … lol. MLMs just wait as siting ducks for the day of doom. Ask Vemma, how it feels or the ancestor of MLMs, Herbalife which paid 200 Million fine a few weeks back.
4. There is nothing wrong with getting a cash back if it is not linked to an ‘opportunity’ or rather a ‘responsibility’ to recruit others. Why is Saivian not just getting a commission for facilitating the cash back without building a parallel scheme?
would it be Mike Wilson an up-line in Saivian
1- Saivian is selling a membership for a global cash back deal.. Where potentially if you spend up to an amount each week, you can get this additional cash back benefit each month..(which may I add is very easy with a family of 4 ).. Now at the end of the day you have two choices.. you do NOT refer ( which is the members choice) and receive a smaller amount back each month… OR you can refer and have your membership payment covered, thereby being able to avail the whole of the potential 20% cash back on the value of your receipts per month… ok, so either way , by joining I have made some money back regardless, and If I had not joined .. I would have had nothing and would be no better of … ok .. now where is the scam part in this ???
2- data sharing… again this is from first hand … Saivian do not hold any personal details.. bank accounts or anything.. they do know the 4 last digits of a members card so that they can check if it is in fact the member buying the product from your chosen store… Now the data they get from your shopping bill,…. where you buy, what time you buy and what you buy is then sold to large corporate retail marketing people , so that they can then market their products to consumers in a better way in their shops. (Not directly to members or from cold calling )… ( bit like Facebook do with its members liking and sharing pages,,, main difference here though, is Facebook do have all our details …)
“A Pyramid scheme/ organizations seldom involve sales of products or services with value. Without creating any goods or services, the only ways for a pyramid scheme to generate revenue are to recruit more members or solicit more money from current members. Eventually, recruiting is no longer possible and most members are unable to profit from the scheme.”
Saivian… Does sell a membership which enables its members to avail 20% cash back on their weekly shopping, and does not solely rely on the memberships to pay its members for shopping.. Thereby already showing it is not a technically pyramid scheme..
So to round up my post.. I have to thank you , because If I had not read your post and watched the way you responded to peoples comments, I would not have decided to join this company and for a fact receive an additional amount each month doing what I have to do .. which is shopping
Dude, I am praying for while I am doing this message. For God sake, please change to an honorsble career.
No. 1, do the math on just a tiny group of only four levels of three by three, it’s not difficult and it has to work that way because with Saivian NO ONE can have more than three on their first level. OK, just four levels means there are 27 on the bottom who have not referred anyone, 9 on the next up level and 3 on the next level up and 1 at the top = a total of 40 members X $125.00 = $5,000 total Saivian income for the month. Now lets see what the MLM sales commission PAYOUT is for these 40 members. Actually the bottom 27 get no MLM sales commission as they have not referred anyone, so the top member gets $900.00, the next three get $600.00 each, and the next 9 get $150.00 each. According to my calculator that’s a total Saivian PAYOUT OF $4,050.00 leaving the princely sum of $950.00 for Saivian to divide up for expenses, salary, etc.
Next lets do the math again at the 6th level, on second thought you do the math, I’ll just tell you the margin gets MUCH thinner the higher or more members are added, would you believe that at a full 6th level group of just 364 members Saivian PAYS OUT all but $50.00 from the entire groups $125.00 monthly income?? AND from that point onward they go deeper and deeper into negative territory. Do the math on a full 14 level group for a real eye opener.
Of course either Saivian has hired the fed’s to do it’s business plan or…just maybe they understand something most people have missed to date….HMMM!! What could that be???
Are you aware that Facebook reportedly expects to bring in more than $25 BILLION this year..ALL from advertising the data you, I and everyone else GIVE them and Google will do somewhere near three times as much…and THEY keep it ALL for themselves! Saivian shares 20% with members.
Do you have any idea just how valuable this data is that we Saivian members give when we register our receipts?? When I go to my grocery store and buy $100.00 worth of groceries that usually only amounts to maybe 50 or 60 products out of the 25,000 to 30,000 or more the store carries, but my receipt has the EXACT item, how many, date of purchase, cost per item, store location, etc on every receipt. Don’t you think EVERY product manufacturer, grower, shipper, distributor, package and label designer, competitive retailer etc. etc would be interested in as much of that data as they could get and as soon as they could get it?? Saivian’s data is far more valuable that Facebook’s “likes” of Googles search data…..and the more Saivian data produced the more valuable it is, therefore Saivian just might have decided to use a lucrative MLM to hurry up the collection of such valuable product i.e. data knowing they can sell that data over and over and bring in tons more income, far more than enough to cover the 20% Cash Back AND the growing sales commissions.
Yes, Saivian has had plenty of growing pains, but they have solved them and are still growing very rapidly and my bet is we have yet to see everything they have planned. I await your comments and hope you will do the math for yourself. Math is an absolute discipline.
You technically aren’t making money on the cash back because it was your money in the first place. You’ve already paid taxes on it. Therefore you don’t have to pay taxes again on the cash back. That’s why the limit. I’m in it and I’m happy and I haven’t recruited anyone yet. Just the cash back is a good deal with the savings coupons.
Your review of this company, it’s business plan, Comp plan etc. is to be commended. It’s completely in line with my findings.
What struck me very quickly was that the cashback on retail shopping was only available to US members. I am not in the US so for me and every other international member, we could only get cashback on International travel. To get cashback to the levels they’re promoting, I would have to purchase USD$625.00 of international travel every month to get USD$1500 cashback per year max. OR spend USD$1250 per month on international travel to get back the maximum payout of USD$3000 per year. Apart from the fortunate few jet-setting wealthy, who, of us lesser mortals could or would spend that amount of money every month on international travel? It is so sad that so many people get themselves sucked into scams like this. What is even more sad is they are often the ones who can lest afford losing money. Their desperation to find alternative sources of income makes them easy prey to the unscrupulous fraudsters out there. MLM is a great business model if done right with the right product and with a good, ethical company. Unfortunately, too many people look for the fast easy money. Frankly, they should not be in business or even look at getting into any type of business unless they are willing to learn, be trainable, put the time, work and effort in and help others they sponsor to duplicate their efforts.
It obviously hits a raw nerve with me seeing this and so many other similar scams out there ruining peoples lives. It also brings the Networking industry into disrepute.
I have been in Saivian since April and I haven’t been able to get any of my redemption money. I have called everyone in this business to try to get my money. I have 5 months of redemptions that they owe me. I have had them to put my account in expired status and change part of my password
Wasn’t even able to sign in to my account. I have called and texted and emailed every major player in this company
Every time I here it takes 60 days. It’s been well past 60 days. If you want to use the cash back program only good luck getting your money.
Frustrated
The fact that they do not share some of that money with their members is not really fair if you ask me since I looked at their video and it makes it seams like they do.
Running out of people seams like pretty impossible for thousands of years if you think of the world population and the fact that it’s so easy for them to open up new countries fast since the product is a membership site (by the way in my business I build Membership site for clients, mostly coaches, with regular non MLM businesses and that is a product that they do sell) A membership site with videos to learn something is a product (I’m sure they have some of those videos in there)
I personnaly would not like if my income depended on others beeing motivated and I rather it depend on me or employees that I can fire if they do not work out (not beeing stuck with a downline that you cannot fire)
The problem is that most people do not have the entrepreneurial minset that is needed to be sucessful in MLM.
I have been a MLM called Arbonne before and it ended up beeing too much work to have to recruit more people as people kept getting out (even though it was completely legitimate and the products are wonderful, I am a customer for life). It’s true that cosmetics are a very competitive field.
Even if I made great money by people’s standpoint it was small to me for the amount of time it required. So I left, but I still think it’s great for others, like moms who want to work from home and do not need a huge income. Most people are ok with 2500$-3000$ a month full time from home (MLM is not part time).
PS: BTW for the people in Saivian, if you do not want this site to go up in google, stop writing comments and staying on the page for a long time as it is making this site rank higher and higher. Probably something you do not want… You are helping a Wealthy Affiliate site rank itself through your comments and your long page views. Brilliant by the way!
PSS: Isn’t Wealthy Affiliate a membership site that makes it’s members sell memberships? LOL
2) ‘Running out of people seams like pretty impossible’ – Saivian cash back program is NOT available in every country and not everyone is going to join the program.
3) ‘I build Membership site for clients, mostly coaches’ – people pay to receive coaching NOT for membership. l can join Saivian today and sell membership without watching a single video if there are any.
4) ‘The problem is that most people do not have the entrepreneurial minset that is needed to be sucessful in MLM’. – people with entrepreneurial mindset DON’T join MLM, it is NOT a business. You just need to be deceptive, have no conscience and ethics.
5) ‘—it ended up being too much work to have to recruit more people as people kept getting out—‘ – welcome to the world of MLM, the attrition rate is above 90%. It’s like sucking golf balls through a garden hose.
6) ‘— if you do not want this site to go up in google, stop writing comments and staying on the page for a long time as it is making this site rank higher and higher’. – LOL, why not practice what you preach, you almost wrote a comment double the length of by review. l actually disable comments on most of my websites, they attract trolls and imagine the time l am wasting replying to your rant?
7) ‘Isn’t Wealthy Affiliate a membership site…’ – you don’t pay for membership, you pay to host 25 websites with web-email addresses, use onsite keyword tool, choose from 2 400 website themes, training on how to get your content in-front of eye-balls, live chat help 24/7 including from the owners of the website, link tracking software and so forth. You don’t pay for membership so that your data can be extracted from you and be sold to other companies. ONLY, 10% of people promote WA FREE membership.
Saivian, as you have said offers a 20% cash back program, with the potential of making an xtra $1000 a year. If you join a cash back scheme with a membership make sure you spend enough to make it worth your while. A little maths calculation will tell you. The option then is not to join if you won’t benefit.
Those that promote the scheme, are being paid to promote it, and being rewarded with $ per day. Those that don’t want to don’t. So where is the problem? The only flaw at the moment is that Saivian aren’t making those that promote it enter a minimum amount of receipts. That would take care of any “pyramid” or “ponzi” claims. Also as far as I can see, promoting a membership scheme which gives value to its members via the “availability of cashback or Instant Savings Benefit” isn’t against any law. The recruitment of people is necessary for any business to survive.
In New Zealand, one of the most popular loyalty cards in use is FlyBuys. They collect information on all your shopping at New World supermarkets, as does the OneCard for Countdown….Guess what? You get 1 point for every dollar spend, which roughly equates each point cash value at 16 cents. Yep, spend $25, get 16 cents ‘cash back’ to spend.
That is the reality of the margins in data mining. Slimmer than a very slim thing, they only become profitable by the huge scale, the numbers involved……
Please, understand this, no-one….NO-ONE….anywhere, is willing to refund 20% of your grocery bill to know you buy the same white bread and value milk each week.
If you truly believe Saivian is selling data for 20% then you are just stupid. Photocopying receipts? Time intensive! Stupid. No…….it is makebelieve, fiction, a pointless task to make you feel as if you’re doing something to ‘earn’ your cash back…
And, if you truly believe you are ‘earning money’ by recruiting others into this pyramid scheme, you are either stupid or just don’t care about those who will ultimately lose out when there is no-one left to recruit and cover the $125 monthly ‘membership fee’ that is used to pay the ‘affiliates’ further up,the pyramid in the belief they are earning money for doing sweet nothing……
Fools
Good on you for trying to make people think – although there seems to be an almost cult like reverence around these things.
I would recommend to all who have paid for a card to ask there up line to arrange a refund and do not except even more excuses and delay tactics.
I have also looked in to some of the previous comments, one in particular regarding Laura A Harte who was in the UK early October promoting Saivian in various venues including London, at the same time back in the US on the 13th October the U.S. Bankruptcy Court Records for the Southern District of Indiana were applying for a notice of possible assets, this is the link open-public-records.com/court/indiana-15523551.htm
This I’am sure you would agree sets alarm bells ringing.
I have also been informed that HMRC are now conducting tax investigations into MLM companies (not just Saivian) this has apparently been triggered by posts on various social media sites containing claims of $5000 / $100000 per month incomes.
If you have not informed HMRC of your self employment you need to do so asap, for those of you who are on benefits you also need to contact the relevant benefits dept to disclose this income or risk losing benifits and risking court proceedings.
I strongly recommend if you feel you have also been taken for a ride by Saivian and unscrupulous upline leaders who are knowingly still selling codes to contact Trading Standards and Fair Trades.
The majority of people who get involved with these schemes are vulnerable and can ill afford the cost all based on false promises continually and consistently posted on social media sites.
If you are a member of a social media site and been adversely effected by Saivian post the details of this site on your page.
Im with Saivian and i love it, im sorry but i dont agree with your findings at all. Ive been with the company for 10weeks and im getting paid for sharing the company and how amazing it is. Majority of my team have already hit earnings and then we all get our cashback on top.
It is an amazing company yes we pay a membership and to be honest i only paid once from my own pocket, same goes for my team. People are claiming upto £200 each month on shopping they would have done anyway.
Several companies out there that make it impossible for anyone to earn with comp plans and its all the same process, difference is that im not lumbered with selling products.
Great opportunity and there is nothing like it, so ignore the haters as they cant see people earning from an amazing company and want you to sell products which are expensive to buy and sell onwards
1) ‘… im getting paid for sharing the company’ – this is called recruiting and you are building your downline.
2) ‘… to be honest i only paid once from my own pocket, same goes for my team…’ – you are surely NOT being honest. All persons are at the bottom of your downline or pyramid of recruits is paying subscriptions from their own pockets to which goes on to pay for subscriptions of those above them. What you are saying is impractical and only shows that you are a newbie to this MLM game — cool down!
$125
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$125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125
Level 1: 1 x $275
Level 2: 3 x $275
Level3: 9 x $125 = $1,125
Total payout to these 13 members are $2,250.00
1) If the referrals stopped coming in (in my example it’s level 3) Which company is willing to pay $2,250 for “marketing data” on just these 13 members? Is your data really that valuable that they can continuously pay the 13 members $2,250 every month?
‘You have never done a transferred to the circa card. You just did a redemption on January 25th. It takes 30 days for the redemption to be approved for a pass and 60 days for the redemption to be approved for cash back. By doing a redemption it does not go straight to the circa card. You would need to do it manually when the redemption becomes available for cash back. At the moment the redemption has not been approved.’
THIS IS A BLATANT SCAM!! They are recirculating the money to pay everyone after everyone has paid 3 mos of $130.
Everyone in this thread should report them to the AGs before they fool mor people. They are growing in leaps and bounds. From 94,000 in Nov to over 200,000 plus now. Just shows how many fools there are.
As you said:
Greed can not be tamed. Foolish flies follow the coffin into the grave.
1) 20% cashback
2) Instant Savings Benefits from over 300,00 advertising merchants between 10%-80% in addition to the 20% cashback
3) Optional: Affiliate Referral Commission Program that is available for anyone to take advantage of, but not mandatory…It’s about receiving compensation and an extra stream of income from WOM (WORD OF MOUTH)….America thrives on economy–buying and selling…Saivian is a service membership product per se and that is what I love about it…there is NO ACTUAL SELLING OF AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL PRODUCT because the PRODUCT is a SERVICE MEMBERSHIP of receiving benefits on something that we are doing on a daily basis already….we buy gas, we eat out at restaurants/fast food places, we buy things for our family, for our home, for our pets, we buy things for our daily necessities…this company is needed for the regular layman person….we are not about the bling bling….our vision is to help each person to save money, learn how to stretch our hard earned money, share with others — so that others will be able to create their own economy for themselves and their family. As long as one does his/her own due diligence of understanding the systems, processes, and learning the platform inside and out, one will be fine and will succeed….Saivian has grown to more than 200,000+ membership in about a year and over the holidays there were about 50,000 new members that signed up and in such a short amount of time. Saivian gave away almost 3.7 million dollars in Christmas bonuses for sharing the platform with others. Everyone who joins and who follows the Affiliate Platform, in addition to the Cashback Concept, will all reach the same final destination of 8000 people earning $3000/day = $90,000/month. This concept is doable and reachable with great team work & great work ethics!!! In addition, Saivian International is all about paying it forward. Once we have our 3 personal direct membership that we’ve shared with–like with any other compensation plan, this is the criteria to be in the commissions pool….everyone else that we share this marvelous and beneficial savings to, we help all our other team members to get their 3….this is why this is one of the best MLM companies that I have ever encountered, where we help others to succeed!!! It is SIMPLE, DUPLICATABLE, VALUABLE & constantly adding positive features!!! The Corporate leaders work day and night to ensure that we will have cutting edge technology in the cashback platform industry!!! My hats goes off to President EJ Dalius, Business Development Director Mike Kim, Operations Director Ryan Evans, Communications Director Jericho Phire… GO GO GO SAIVIAN INTERNATIONAL!!!
– The membership cost must be paid every 28 days, but you can only claim every 30 days. Therefore, you must pay at least $250 to claim the 1st month max. $240 cash back. (There is a limit of “cashback” maximum $60 per week.) Still you lost $10 after a month + extra work on this system & process.
So, if you do not recruit people in, you will just keep paying them and do something wasted to let them gain your money. If you recruit your friends & they recruit their friends, you just earn your friends’ money and let this company earn their money too.
Don’t be stupid and heartless. This company is dishonest, misleading people, passes off fish eyes for pearls. Once the ball rolls big enough & exploded, your friend’s friends lose money and you’ll be blamed.
Though few hundreds or thousands is not a big deal but I have no reason to give these heartless people, especially the founder, for his own benefit.
If you are now in Korea or use a Korean IP address, you enter saivian.net, you will see a warning notice by the Korean National Police Agency that it is illegal. The warning notice has been posted since late 2016.
1) why i have to pay money before earning money?
2) how can Saivian afford such a high rebating rate at 20%? What is the profit margin of selling big data to marketing teams of corporation? Indeed, can it tells me what corporation is buying data from them?
3) Since Saivian is getting bigger and bigger, let’s assume all its members in the globe spend USD1billion / month. It means that it has to pay its member back USD200million / month. So here comes a question, which angel investors / banks will lead money to a business that is so new and yet the product is still in mystery? Even if there is, the lending interest must be very high, like over 10% for a year or more. If Saivian cannot get enough corporation to buy its data, can it repay the principles and interest?
4) If it is such an exciting Big Data High-teah business model, why i can find no news about them in mainstream media?
I hope Saivian can answer all my questions