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2015年5月19日星期二

我的 Proton Persona 隔音大工程

15-5-2015 04:08 PM|原作者: Nicheadison |查看:19123| 评论: 43
摘要 :
佳礼网友 Nicheadison 拥有 Proton Persona 已有 4 年多,不知从何时开始,觉得 Persona 的车内变得很吵,影响了乘坐舒适性,所以就开始了他的《Project Sound Proof》隔音改造大工程!来看看他是怎么做的吧!
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佳礼网友 Nicheadison 拥有 Proton Persona 已有 4 年多,不知从何时开始,觉得 Persona 的车内变得很吵,影响了乘坐舒适性,所以就开始了他的《Project Sound Proof》隔音改造大工程!来看看他是怎么做的吧!

『开始』

我是从 2014 年开始分阶段进行,但都是一个人亲手制作,所以很累。到今天,全车除了 Firewall 没做(也没打算做)之外,其他部分都弄得七七八八了。现在,就让我来分享我的隔音工程照,以及改造后的实际试车体验。

第一阶段:四门隔音
做法:用 STP iSilver 抑震膜,在前门贴上 3 层,后门贴上 2 层。
效果:车门变得很重,车内安静些许,罗里及摩托声减少很多,但轮胎与引擎声却变得相对明显,听了有点烦。另外,喇叭声好像少了中音,不怎么喜欢,因为我比较喜欢听 ROCK 的歌,电吉他的声音变得不那么好听了。
建议:一定要在门板里面放吸音棉,不能只在铁皮粘抑震膜。同时,车门的铁皮不需粘满,抑震膜也只需贴在重要的地方就好(我就是粘太多了)

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第二阶段:车门贴橡胶
做法:四个车门粘小 D 橡胶
效果:高速风声少了些许,但门比较难关上。
建议:下次要用 Z 橡胶封住门边与车身的间隔

第三阶段:车底隔音
做法:用 STP iSilver,前座车椅底下没做,因为懒惰拆车椅
效果:撞洞声比较结实,车底噪音减少很多(只限美的马路上,烂路还是很吵),引擎声少了许多(可能是抑震膜粘到 Lower Firewall 防火墙)

第四阶段:引擎盖隔音
做法:在原装隔音棉后加 STP iSilver
效果:引擎声减少一点,变得没那么粗糙,驾驶后引擎盖没那么热了。

第五阶段:更换降噪轮胎
做法:换上 Bridgestone GR100 轮胎
效果:效果明显,撞洞声没那么粗,在状况较美的马路上真的很安静,虽然跑烂路还是会有明显的轮胎声,但也减少了许多(比起旧的 XM2 轮胎)


第六阶段:叶子板隔音
做法:在 Wheel well 粘 STP iSilver 及用隔音棉封住那通往车门的洞
优点:这个效果最明显,轮胎声少了很多。
第七阶段:车尾箱隔音
做法:用 STP iSilver & 3M Thinsulate 吸音棉
效果:用最多抑震膜,但效果最不明显。

第八阶段:车门板隔音
做法:车门把加 3M Thinsulate 吸音棉
效果:车外的噪音少很多(比起只粘 STP iSilver)

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第九阶段:车底隔音(Level 2)
做法:在车底加 3M Thinsulate 吸音棉
效果:车底的噪音少少一点,不会很多。
建议:可能 3M Thinsulate 被压扁了,效果减少了(猜测罢了)

第十阶段:车子 A,B,C 柱隔音
做法:将 STP iSilver 及 3M Thinsulate 隔音棉贴在后座 Speaker 那条铁皮中。
效果:这个效果也是很明显,车厢内安静很多,过烂路时车内也没那么吵,高速行驶也能在车内轻松与后座乘客谈天。 

第十一阶段:车顶隔音
做法:用 STP Gold 和 3M Thinsulate 吸音棉
效果:这个最累,但效果不大,只有在下雨时才能察觉。雨水打在大镜的声音变得刺耳了,头顶却没声,感觉怪怪的,需时间适应。至于隔热,没什么差别,因为原装车也没觉得头顶发热(原装已经有隔音棉,而我也有装回那原装的隔音棉)。

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总的来说,要减低 Persona 的噪音,必须在很多部位一起做,要不然减低这个噪音,那个噪音又变得明显。以下是我推荐做的:
  • 更换静胎(Persona 的 Size 有 XM2,Advan DB,GR100 等等)
  • 四门铁皮 2 层抑震膜+门板吸音棉(如果不能确保抑震膜完美封住那些 Service Hole 的话,务必把挡水 Plastic 粘回去,以防车内养鱼)
  • 四门橡胶封条
  • 封住 Fender 通往前门的洞
  • 引擎盖隔音
  • 前座车底隔音至 Lower Firewall
  • A,B,C 柱加吸音棉
  • 后面装 speaker 的那块铁皮隔音

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根 据 SAE(Society of Automotive Engineers)汽车工程师协会的资料,抑震膜及吸音棉只能改善中高频噪音,对低频噪音的改善是有限的。因为低频噪音主要是通过轮胎传到悬吊系统,然 后再传到车身内。我们不能改善悬吊系统,所以只好更换一套静胎。如果是轴衬(Bush)或引擎室 Engine Mounting 老化,去换一套 Bush 就好了。

『结束』





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引用 weiwei318 19-5-2015 10:12 PM
我单想到拆门皮就没有力了

其他评论

引用 ben987 13-5-2015 07:57 PM
材料去哪里买?

总共花了多少钱?
引用 Nicheadison 13-5-2015 09:31 PM
ben987 发表于 13-5-2015 07:57 PM
材料去哪里买?

总共花了多少钱?

大概花了2000左右。2盒STP iSilver(24片),2片STP Gold,6片3M Thinsulate,10m小D封条。
其实不需要那么多,因为第一次做隔音,以为粘到满满就是好,很多地方是不需粘的。
全都是在老鸭论坛买的。
引用 free_speaking 13-5-2015 10:38 PM
减了多少 db?

引用 羅馬王子 13-5-2015 11:42 PM
这些在店有的弄吗?
引用 阿ray 13-5-2015 11:59 PM
楼主我想问下吸音棉那里可以买要多少钱?我最近也是自己diy sound proof但是是用便宜货不想楼主你用名牌货
引用 Nicheadison 14-5-2015 12:07 AM
free_speaking 发表于 13-5-2015 10:38 PM
减了多少 db?

没有仪器来量。但是觉得有比较静,车开起来比较爽, 呵呵
引用 Nicheadison 14-5-2015 12:08 AM
羅馬王子 发表于 13-5-2015 11:42 PM
这些在店有的弄吗?

有,在佳礼广场也有人卖隔音服务。
引用 羅馬王子 14-5-2015 12:09 AM
Nicheadison 发表于 14-5-2015 12:08 AM
有,在佳礼广场也有人卖隔音服务。

裝了怕搞到車不美去
引用 Nicheadison 14-5-2015 12:13 AM
阿ray 发表于 13-5-2015 11:59 PM
楼主我想问下吸音棉那里可以买要多少钱?我最近也是自己diy sound proof但是是用便宜货不想楼主你用名牌货: ...

我的是在Lowyat.net跟一个叫MyWifeCar的人买。
一片3M吸音棉RM100(20mm厚)或RM60(10mm厚)
你是用Insuflex来做?如果是的话,要确保不会碰到水, 要不然会发霉的。你看看住家冷气外那黑色包着铜喉的Insuflex,会吸水的,久了会发霉生青苔。
引用 Nicheadison 14-5-2015 12:17 AM
羅馬王子 发表于 14-5-2015 12:09 AM
裝了怕搞到車不美去

没办法,要做隔音肯定得拆很多东西,我也是拆断几个clip。不过别担心,去Proton买回来装就行了,一个块多钱,比起在spare part店买的clip贵点,但胜在够fit。
引用 羅馬王子 14-5-2015 12:31 AM
Nicheadison 发表于 14-5-2015 12:17 AM
没办法,要做隔音肯定得拆很多东西,我也是拆断几个clip。不过别担心,去Proton买回来装就行了,一个块多 ...

我的不是proton叻
Honda
引用 bibi0502 15-5-2015 06:32 PM
车的bonet没有做吗?我也是自己diy车bonet和4个门,换了xm2,过后打算换车算了,proton没救的了
引用 阿ray 15-5-2015 07:05 PM
Nicheadison 发表于 14-5-2015 12:13 AM
我的是在Lowyat.net跟一个叫MyWifeCar的人买。
一片3M吸音棉RM100(20mm厚)或RM60(10mm厚)
你是用Insufl ...

一片有几大,你一个门用一片啊?
引用 阿ray 15-5-2015 07:08 PM
Nicheadison 发表于 14-5-2015 12:07 AM
没有仪器来量。但是觉得有比较静,车开起来比较爽, 呵呵

你下载那些db dector的apps,大概大概可以知道下的
引用 Aaron80 15-5-2015 09:20 PM
装了这么多,有感觉车起步的时候,变重了吗?
引用 Nicheadison 15-5-2015 10:53 PM
bibi0502 发表于 15-5-2015 06:32 PM
车的bonet没有做吗?我也是自己diy车bonet和4个门,换了xm2,过后打算换车算了,proton ...

有,在第4项,引擎盖,感觉Campro咆哮声变得比较温驯点。
当初我只做4门隔音也是觉得不够,因为persona原本都很吵的轮胎声变得更明显了。
我也是想换车,但考虑到钱,就。。。
引用 Nicheadison 15-5-2015 10:59 PM
阿ray 发表于 15-5-2015 07:05 PM
一片有几大,你一个门用一片啊?

Thinsulate 大概3尺 x 4.5尺一片。因为我是买6片,卖家没切成一片片,所以不知道一个门用多少片。但6片够我做4门,底盘,顶棚,后挡板,后轮上方。还有多一点帮我女友做她的卖鱼的2个前门。
我觉得4门应该用2-3片,因为后门是类似三角形,用比较少
引用 Nicheadison 15-5-2015 11:02 PM
Aaron80 发表于 15-5-2015 09:20 PM
装了这么多,有感觉车起步的时候,变重了吗?

没什么差别,因为车尾箱装的工具(工作用途)都起码有80kg了,这些隔音应该只有40kg吧。。。
但Persona的pickup真的很吃力。。。
引用 ccsbih 15-5-2015 11:17 PM
好,最欣赏这种DIY精神,不是每个人有那份胆量,少点耐心也不行。
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2015年3月1日星期日

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Just called KK Lau. RM980 for dynamat include installation.


 Bro, let me give you some pointers to reduce noise in the cabin - this is what I did (all DIY) to my 2002 Waja. Now, my car is suprisingly quiet!

1) I removed all 4 door panels and stuck Insulflex sound absorbing material. Put extra thick double layer on front doors
2) One layer of dynamat and Insulflex in the engine bay firewall.
3) One layer of Dynamat and Insuflex in the boot area
4) Change 2 front tires to Michelin Primacy LC

Total damage for insulation: RM250
Tires: RM480
Result: One quiet car! (of course not like Merc or BMW).

Note that you can save yourself lots of $$ by just DIY smile.gif

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Originally Posted by appleyard
i'm not sure whether you can get this in malaysia but would you consider other brand. dynamat is good but cheaper alternatives is the Raamat. Thicker material with cheaper cost. I got someone reviewed it and compared to Dynamat Extreme and according to him Raamat are not far behind and cost is 3/4 cheaper than the dynamat extreme.

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Selangor.
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